It started off with Margaret Patient, I think I really started when in gave up work, Margaret Patient had classes at St Andrew’s church hall and they were nice classes, it was a weekly class and it was always a nice that you had a homework session so you would put up your work from your homework and we would have a little discussion about it, then you would go and do what was the topic for the day and then you would put up your work just before you went away and she would have a quick talk.  She was very good actually, it took her a long time to do, she was quite good, she would talk about the colour, encourage people about the colours, the use of different colours a little bit about the layout of the drawings and stuff and also then of course we used to organise a week’s painting away in the summer.