But, as I say, in those days, especially the gravel pits, you must… Dukey Stevens and Chris, that was a wonderful playground over there.  Well, the fishing, for a start, there was plenty of fishing over there.  We probably all learnt to swim over there. We swam in the pits, that’s where I probably learnt to swim.  Self-taught? Oh, yeah, yeah.  Well, you’re all playing about and… we did go down to the river to swim, as well, down the bottom from… where the carpark is.  At Ham Street? Yeah, yeah, right down the bottom there.  I never used to, but a lot of the lads used to go swimming over by the weir at Teddington.  No, the pits itself, I mean… we used to go out with, we probably went out in the morning with a couple of potatoes, you’d build a fire and stick them into the fire and be out there all day.  I suppose life’s different today and… it was really enjoyable, I think.  There was a little train used to run backwards and forwards; wherever the crane was dredging the gravel up, there were little trains going.  The main bit where they went, probably somewhere where Meadlands School is now, I’m not sure, I can’t recall exactly where, at the back there somewhere, but all the lorries used to take… it was Ham River Grit Company.  But there was one tragic thing with the train, a little lad, boy of Humphreys, I think it was, he… it was like push-pull, the train, and he was on the end of it and fell off and the train went over him.  Wasn’t many… I mean, in view of all what went on there, there were only a couple of deaths that I remember.  There was another girl, a McKinney, she drowned in the pits.  There were certain areas which were quite sandy. There were like two islands in the pits and near one of them, opposite, was quite a sandy bit and that was very popular for the swimming and what have you.  I think it was quite shallow there.  Some parts were obviously very deep and we used to make rafts and what have you; that was a bit precarious really!  Some of them were homemade rafts, although on these concrete barges, there were some rafts on them, they were probably made of teak, quite big things, oblong shaped.  For some reason, they had a hole at each end, a square hole at each end of the raft; originally, I suppose, every one of these barges had one of these rafts on them. I do recall being on one, but I didn’t… obviously, older kids would have got them off or whatever, you know, I wouldn’t have been old enough or strong enough to have got them off the barges, other people must have done that.  So, you spent summer holidays…?  Virtually, they were all spent over there all the time, yeah.